Weighing The Human Soul

From a Noetic Science experiment in 1988:

“The human soul weighs 1/3,000th of an ounce! That’s the astonishing claim of East German researchers who recently weighed more than 200 terminally ill patients just before, and immediately after, their deaths.”

The human soul weighs 1/3,000th of an ounce!

That’s the astonishing claim of East German researchers who recently weighed more than 200 terminally ill patients just before, and immediately after, their deaths.

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In each case, the weight loss was exactly the same–1/3,000th of an ounce.

“The inescapable conclusion is that we have now confirmed the existence of the human soul and determined its weight,” Dr. Becker Mertens of Dresden said in a letter printed in the German science journal Horizon.

“The challenge before us now is to figure out exactly what the soul is composed of”, he continued. “We are inclined to believe that it is a form of energy. “But our attempts to identify this energy have been unsuccessful to date.”

The expert’s report, co-authored by physicist Elke Fisher, got mixed reviews from top scientists around the world. Gerard Voisart, the leading French pathologist, was especially critical, saying that the weight difference between the living and the dead could be accounted for by air leaving the lungs. But Drs. Fisher and Mertens said they took that into account in making their calculations. They further stated that the device they used to weigh the soul has a margin of error of less than 1/100,000th of an ounce.

“It occurred to us that the weight loss could be the result of an instantaneous physical deterioration,” said Dr. Fisher. “But after exhaustive study, we agreed that was not the case. The only possible explanation is that we were measuring the loss of the human soul or some kind of life force.”

The communist scientists were careful not to link their study of the soul with a superior being or with the afterlife. But church leaders contacted by the European press said the experts’ report confirmed the existence of God and heaven–and praised their breakthrough research.

“It’s ironic that communist scientists would conduct a search for the soul, much less declare that they found it,” said one clergyman.

Repeated attempts to get an official statement from the Vatican were unsuccessful. But one highly placed source said Pope John Paul II was aware of the German study. And he reportedly was most impressed. “The Roman Catholic Church has never concerned itself with the weight of the soul, but we are pleased with scientific confirmation of its existence,” the source said.

From the tabloid, Weekly World News, Nov. 8, 1988. By Ragan Dunn. This story appeared in the same issue as a story headlined, “Painting of Elvis weeps real tears”, and “Psychic makes river run backward”.

Weighing The Human Soul

In the earliest 20th century, Dr. Duncan McDougall measured the human soul at 21 grams. (The movie 21 Grams is based on the same findings).

In 1907, MacDougall weighed six patients while they were in the process of dying from tuberculosis in an old age home. It was relatively easy to determine when death was only a few hours away, and at this point, the entire bed was placed on an industrial-sized scale that was apparently sensitive to the gram. He took his results (a varying amount of perceived mass loss in most of the six cases) to support his hypothesis that the soul had mass, and when the soul departed the body, so did this mass. The determination of the soul weighing 21 grams was based on the average loss of mass in the six patients. Other studies were soon put forward to confirm the results. Experiments on mice and other animals took place. Most notably the weighing upon the death of sheep seemed to create mass for a few minutes which later disappeared. The hypothesis was made that a soul portal formed upon death which then whisked the soul away.

Archangel Michael is Weighing Souls

In the Roman Catholic Church, Saint Michael has four main roles or offices. He is the Christian angel of death, carrying the souls of all the deceased to heaven, where they are weighed in his perfectly balanced scales (hence Michael is often depicted holding scales). At the hour of death, Michael descends and gives each soul the chance to redeem itself before passing, thus consternating the devil and his minions. St Michael is the special patron of the Chosen People in the Old Testament and is the guardian of the Church; it was thus not unusual for the angel to be revered by the military orders of knights during the Middle Ages. Last, he is the supreme enemy of Satan and the fallen angels.

Archangle Michael Weighs Souls

80 thoughts on “Weighing The Human Soul

  1. Kert

    This is amazing….never thought of the soul actually being part of ones bodt weight. what a freaky idea

  2. Sarah

    I am so glad that this information is finally coming to light. There is so much we cannot physically see, it will be most interesting to hear what has been proven next. Excellent stuff!

  3. Rose

    I read about this in /The Lost Symbol/ by Dan Brown and I decided to google it and see if it was actually real. It just blows my mind!

  4. Sammy D

    I did the same after Reading dan brown it is actually amazing that less of this type of research has been conducted; although of course understandable given the morbid nature.Will be very interesting to see how
    this type is research links in with many worlds hypothesis implied by quantum mechanics ( I.e everything that can happen does happen and the universe splits – potentially the soul is the accumulation of knowledge from deaths iof the same person in these parallel universes) and current thinking about dark matter and dark energy which make up most of the mass in the universe but have not yet been found ( sounds alot like an accumulation of souls ). Does give you hope when you realise the universe is so muh stranger than you think, that science doesn’t really have any answers – it is that there is something more after death….

  5. DAVIE

    Afterlife 1 – Science 0….Scientists beaten by their own experiment MWHAHAHA!

  6. tim

    all of you christans are fucking stupid it is not linked to any after life. the damn church turned it around you morons.

  7. madman

    @tim
    You are so right lol. Guys read the texts again… You obviously didn’t understand the most of it. Fools 😀

  8. Sarah

    Whilst this experiment was slightly morbid, what it has proved is a truely amazing thing. Whether this shows we go somewhere or that there is something after death is yet to be proved, I guess each of us will find out for ourselves when the time comes. However, this also reminds me of the noetic experiments on the weight and gravity and power of thought. Wouldn’t it be amazing (considering humans only use about 10% of their brain) if our minds developed to the point where we could heal cancer and other terminal illnesses with the power of thought?

  9. Ashly

    This is truly amazing. How exciting it is to find a way to prove that the human spirit has mass, even if it is 1/3000th of an ounce. The ramifications are astounding. I have allways believed in an afterlife, but never thought that SCIENCE would be able to delve into that arena. It just makes you want to study. Truly inspiring. Keep up the work.

  10. Carolyn Hunter

    I googled this after reading Dan Brown’s The Lost Symbol because I was enthralled with the idea of noetic science. I am 16 and have an interest in physics and science in general and reading this just blows my mind. I hadn’t considered the possibility of there literally being some kind of life force or soul before reading The Lost Symbol, and I have never been religious. Although I’m not sure that this research implies that there’s an afterlife. However I do think that there must be some kind of life force.

    I have been inspired by this research and it makes me want to study even more. Next year in sixth form, I am taking the Extended Project Qualification and YASS combined, and fully intend to include/study this in some way!

  11. BREATHE

    CONSIDER THIS,PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE AGES HAVE EXPERIANCED DEATH+RETURNED
    TO TELL OF THE EXISTANCE OF AN AFTER
    LIFE.I SPEAK FROM EXPERIANCE.I DIED.
    21mins LATER I WAS BROUGHT BACK.
    THERE IS A SOUL WITHIN EACH OF US.
    AND THERE IS A GLORIOUS AFTERLIFE THAT WE CAN ALL LOOK FORWARD TO,JUST
    AS GOD PROMMISED. TRUST ME, I WAS A
    SKEPTIC WHO HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO BELIEF BY THE HAND OF GOD. JESUS HIMSELF GAVE ME A MESSAGE TO PASS ON:”LOVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN LIFE. LOVE IS ALL THAT MATTERS.”

  12. kate willis

    That last comment brought tears to my eyes. I just read ‘The Loast Symbol’ interesting read! i’ve totally become addicted.. Want to learn so much, sounds weird but i haven’t slept in days.

    Anyway, hope more answers come out about how complex and special we all are.

    Sending good luck from Wales(UK)

  13. christians maybe you should study your own religion before you think this proves the exixtance of jesus or god. The story of jesus for example is a plagerisation of the story of the egyptian god Horus who lived around 3000 B.C.

    however this info. is extremely interesting. it is unbelievable what sciense is proving.

  14. Cos

    pls tell me what & where is this ‘science journal’ published – can’t seem to find out anything about it – is it a reputable source?? you say Germany?

  15. jab

    astounding..very wonderful, ain’t it..? I cannot beleive that science did thought about doing that..I thought before that instead of saying “we don’t believe that” why don’t they just do an experiment about that, In fact they are scientists…

  16. richardmoderate

    what about the 15 dogs that he murdered-and when they showed no weight loss -he claimed it was because “dogs have no souls”????

  17. Serena

    I looked this up after reading Dan Brown’s book also. Haha. I calculated that 1/3000th of an ounce is about 0.01 grams. Although it isn’t a significant difference, it is still interesting, knowing that this finding was consistent with the 200 cases that they analyzed. Maybe an interesting experiment would be to see if an animal about the same weight of a human being loses 1/3000th of an ounce as well. Maybe they wont lose that weight, which may indicate that animals do not have souls. Or perhaps they do also lose that weight and we can go from there. :]

  18. Serena

    Okay nevermind. I just read the article after I posted and realized that experiments conducted on animals have already occurred.

  19. brohan

    soul weight or none, dude dont say shit about jesus, he may or may not have been the son of god, but pretty much every historyian confirms he existed and if you had half the balls of that man did they’d write a bible about you too. Power to the big balls!

  20. All of you ignorant fools who deny the existence of a higher power are only here to make us who do believe stronger. so, by all means, keep it up.
    Now, as to the experiment that proved without a shadow of a doubt that we have souls and our souls possess mass. this by itself is something our ancestors never dreamt of happening. We are grateful for the advances of technology in this day and age, and for those who choose to use them for the betterment of mankind. To say the least, I am in awe. This is no small thing, of that I can assure you. Pretty soon, we will be seeing the different planes of existence and come to realize how small a part we play in the big game of life. In our greatest time, we will be performing miracles every day. Except we will not think of them as miracles because they will have become commonplace.
    To all those who have something constructive to say, you have my eternal gratitude, as you prove that this world still dreams, and dreams big. As a matter of conversation, I would urge you all to look within yourselves and revel in the simple joys life brings to us, instead of looking always to the outside world. In way of parting, I have something to impart to you who believe. Of all the gods and goddesses this world has created to govern us, there is one you remain blind to. That is the GOD and GODDESS inside yourself, urging you to turn your vision into yourself. You have but to listen and you will be amazed at what you find. I bid you all a good day. Life is what you make it. If you don’t put anything in, you will not get anything out.

  21. Alex

    Instant weight loss…woohoo, too bad your dead to appreciate it.

  22. Anna

    Interesting that these experiments were ‘explained away’ with the loss in mass after death being attributable to lung exhalation. Surely we would then expect to see varying changes in mass, not the consistent loss in mass that was found?I find the fact that the change in mass was identical in all subjects totally atonishing. I would be interested to see whether their experiments had been repeated and should like to see a copy of the paper.

  23. Black Rose

    Every decade more and more of these “secrets” are revealed, what if i was to tell you that this was just one of the many secrets? Humans will one day become God’s they say (Apotheosis). Many people believe that day is 2012, the 21st of December, like it or not there’s going to be huge changes. The world changes, an obvious change, if nothing happena in 2012, then religions will be proven to innacurate, also with them the theorists ect. If we’re all thinking the same thing in 2012, then that’s combined thought, if noetic science’s hypothesis is right, then we’ll be seeing more percentige being used in our Minds. I am lucky to be alive at such an event, i will be 18, but i was brought into this world without choice, forced upon it’s terrors and sadness, but also it’s beauty and happyness, let no rules stop you doing what is natural… Nothing is true. Everything is Permitted

  24. Beckyess

    Just picking up on what Wondering has said. What if ‘pressure’ has mass? After all out body is kept pressurised internally by our heart and maybe when the heart stops beating that pressure is what is being weighed? I do believe that we have an inner us, whatever you want to call it, I don’t believe in a single devine being. I have always been of the opinion that humans are more than what we are at the moment when I first heard that the human brain is operating on minimum. However, with experiments such as these there are many variables and all need to be examined and eliminated before declaring that the weight loss is proof of the existance of a soul.

  25. Grant

    There is the finding, and then there are conclusions one draws from the finding. It is evident that an undefiniable mass leaves the body at death. Any further elaboration on this observable fact leads into conclusions and conjectures based on beliefs and ideas for whith there exists no certainty, no evidence. This does nothing to prove the veractiy of religious dogma, all it does is prove that something formless that nevertheless has mass, leaves the human form at death. You cannot argue that because something has been witnessed to leave the body at death, then that means Jesus was born of a virgin, Muhammad conversed with the angel Gabriel in a cave or that we reincarnate! You cannot make claims of certainty upon something which by it’s very nature is indefinable and unknowable…

  26. Revealer Of truth

    The truth will come out one day, our organisation will see to that.

  27. Matthew

    I am so far outside the box, that i’ve forgotten what’s inside it.

  28. Kinda smartass

    well if ppl say its de loss of air in the lungs, use a sealed cage from which air cant escape. that way, the air is weighed as well and the only weight loss would be the soul. just make sure there is not a fly on the cage that flies away at the death of the person being weighed. for that would also mean mass loss 😛

  29. Raul

    I guess that once scientist find out that it takes a lot of energy to equal the weight of 1/3,000th of an ounce, then the world will soon find that their lives, abilities, importance and interconnecteness is not something to be taken lightly… sorry for the pun, but someone somewhere really put a lot of time and thought into our creation.

  30. Matt

    This exsperiment is easily flawed. When the blood is cerculated around the body, it creates energy, and adds to the weight, so when you die, and your blood flow stops, so does the energy, which adds to the weight. What’s really interesting is that the weight loss is the “Exact” same for each exsperiment. You’ve got to take into account, that right now, millions of different things are flying in and out of your body, What’s to say they can’t pass through metal? It’s just a matter of finding the specific type of energy in the human body, which is equal in everyone.

  31. TheLex

    @Matt

    Everybody holds a different amount of blood, depending on size of person,therefore the weight of blood and circulation would most absolutely not be the same weight in those tested. You are right about energy passing through metal, the only thing that can be passed through metal is heat, which is a source of what the soul is. The soul is the life of the body, the Aliveness and activity of the body. “The Soul of the Eye is the Sight”, in the same light, “The Soul of the body is the Heat.” That is also another reason why sometimes there is a light around a person. If the soul and it’s heat would not have passed through the metal, as energy (energy being a form of heat) typically does, then there would not have been a weight change.

  32. Dichotomy incarnate

    ok, just got interested in McDougall’s experiment. Besides obvious flaws in his methodology,still a fascinating hypothesis. In a quick google search I could not find any attempts to reproduce the experiments. I would be grateful for any info experiments to confirm or deny data. As far as mass /energy calcs., lets start by converting to usable unit. 1 oz. = 28.349527gr. 28.349527/3,000gr.~0.0094498423333gr.
    So, the mass loss at death, using the figure used in the comments, which BTW are not
    McDougalls figure, is approx. 0.0094498423333gr.. Now, using E=MCe2,the energy content of the mass is 0.0094498423333gr x ((300,000)e2) or 90,000,000.,add 2 zeros to convert from kps to mps. So, 0.009449842333 x 9,000,000,000 = 85,048,580.997 or , more simply, .009449842333 x 21.5= .2031716101595 kilotons of tnt, or a little over 200 tons of tnt. In other words , a big boom.
    Of course , this says nothing about what the lost mass consists of, where it goes, or even what it smells like.
    To sum all this up, as Edgar Mitchell, whom I have tremendous respect for, is well aware of; for noetic science to ever become accepted,absolute diligence in the science is critical. My suggestion to most of the commentators on this article is to forget trying to unscrew the inscutable, and study as much math, physics, and hard science as possible, be honest and rigorous as possible in all things, and please, learn how to spell.Only through this process will we ever learn anything useful in changing the world. I will now go into a state of deep meditation to raise my psychic shields against the hostility that will be directed against me,consult the akashic record to check my math, and work on generating a spirit of love for all things, which is the only hope we all have anyway.Have an enlightening Samhain, namaste’ to you all.

  33. matt

    @TheLex, ah, i see. Well thanks for clearing things up for me =) i really appreciate it, the soul must be the same size in everybody, and give of the exact same amount of energy, this is one of the most confusing mysteries i have ever been faced with, excluding our creation of course.

  34. Tyler

    I love noetic science for this reason: It’s opening up so many more possibilities than the human mind can imagine. I vote we do it with different animals, haha maybe all dogs DO go to heaven.

  35. lastof15

    unscrew the inscutable? Learn how to spell indeed.

  36. Suj

    If soul ‘leaves’ the body on death, when did it first enter – On conception? in the womb? Or when it came out? Any ideas?

  37. Suj

    if the soul ‘left’ the body on death, when did it enter – on conception/ in the womb/ or when baby was born? or sometime later?

  38. olivier

    okay, im impressed…theres only one barrier though.if thoughts have a mass, then when somebody dies, these thoughts stop, therefore you the weight of these thoughts leave the body? maybe its just the mass of the thoughts going away not a soul right? just a theory btw, i dont know an awful lot about this subject, i am not an atheist btw, i believe in reincarnation

  39. NITESH KUMAR ARORA

    i like to touch with this subject and interesting to do research on this subject and leave here own comments.

  40. NITESH KUMAR ARORA

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  41. andrew

    my 9 year old daughter told me the other day, she heard on the radio that the world is going to end in 2012, i simply replied well don’t worry darling it just means we all get to go to heaven at the same time and meet up with all our family and friends that have moved on. There is a God, there is a heaven because i see it every day in the eyes of my children.I see it in the rain, in the flowers in the trees, i also see the pain of mankind, to suffer pain truly makes you appreciate the love, the glory and eventually the Kingdom of Heaven. GOD BLESS

  42. matt

    You told your daughter that it’s true, we are all going to die? What little hope she will now have thank’s to you, she will probably not see the point in anything, education, money ect. And if we don’t die? what will you say then? Even if you believe we are going to die, you have to give the young hope, they can’t comprehend anything like mass death.

  43. just finished reading dan brown’s THE LOST SYMBOL. was so hooked onto the idea of noetic science that i wanted to check out if it really is what it says….guess its true…so much to know yet….so much knowledge to get and share…its fantastic…the experiments going on….glad to be a part of it…

  44. JacobDavidWallace

    well @andrew just ruined his daughters life… being a deist i certainly find this information fascinating, but the plethora of arguments here prove the one quintessential problem that with one answer comes many more questions that can’t be answered.

  45. Divyaja

    It really seems like noetic science is about to open a unseen or almost a lost door of wisdom.I’m really inspired by the book The Lost Symbol.Though having mass is a wonderful idea and seems to be true.If the law of conservation of mass is true that “energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can be changed from one form to another form” and may be we are loosing the energy out of our body i.e. soul and calling that state to be dead?If that is true where is this energy going to?This sounds like we really have life after death in which the energy or the soul returns back finding machine or body.sounds interesting and even mindblowing.
    I’m really eager to know more about this topic.Very eager to know what/how science is about to answer these?

  46. Science?

    Whilst I don’t wish to offend anyone, I would like to point something out. Firstly, this article does not seem to be from any particularly reputable scientific source. Secondly, as far as I am aware, this claim and their findings have never been accepted by the general scientific community. Thirdly, this article does not detail any of the methods used and does not give a decent account of results, meaning realistically we have no way to check if they just made it all up. Fourthly, as for their claim that they managed to account for breath leaving the body along with all other forms of excretion upon death: I find it very hard to believe they managed to accurately account for these things to within an error margin of less that 0.01 grams (roughly 1/3000 ounces). If the error margin was greater than this number, then the experiment shows literally nothing of value, and even an error margin a little bit smaller would till throw the validity of the experiment into question. In summary, this entire experiment seems highly suspicious, seems to hold no sway with the scientific community and is of very questionable origin. Please be very careful when deciding to believe this because “scientists did it.” Thank you.

  47. Matt

    A more interesting experiment (Which the results are now kept secret) was conducted. This involved finding people with near death experiences, the trick was to place a picture in a cupboard above them just before they have a near death experience. The patient would then be asked to describe the picture.

  48. Brian

    you all missed the point. science is indeed proving more and more what the bible had already stated, albeit in more simplistic terms. however each to his/her own beliefs.

    just think on this…i would rather go through life believing in God and end up finding he doesn’t exist when i die that go through life never believing in God and find out that he does exist.

  49. Rex

    Not to offend anyone, but misconceptions abound here and the interpretation of the article and Dan Brown’s book. What the researchers say is that the body changes weight after death, and yes, their methods of research is questionable. Weight is not energy nor is weight the same as mass. Mass is the amount of matter contained within an object — weight is a relationship between mass and the gravitational pull (force) of the earth. When you step on a bathroom scale, you measure weight, but to measure mass, the gravitational effects of the earth must be offset or balanced out of the equation. If the soul is some form of energy, then the mass or weight of the person cannot change because of Einstein’s famous equation E = mc2 unless the soul is matter that has mass and suddenly changes into energy at death somehow. Energy is some form of EM — electromagnetic radiation (i.e., x-ray, ultraviolet, gamma, microwave, visible, etc) or sound or heat, etc. Whether energy has mass seems an impossiblity, but quantum scientists believe that EM radiation is composed of particles called photons, hence mass. If mass changes into some form of energy, then energy cannot have weight, hence, the soul cannot have weight if it is energy. However, if it is some form of EM radiation, then it has mass perhaps? Visible light from stars can be bent by other the gravity of massive stars — hence EM must have particles — hence visible light has mass? A major fallacy of Dan Brown’s book — the measurement was in kilograms — and that is mass, not weight. Only if Katherine Solomon’s apparatus nullified the effect of gravity will Brown’s book make sense as to her measurement and evidence for the soul. Also, the movement of the heart up and down does not change a person’s weight — only the loss of mass (energy conversion) or a change in the gravitational pull of the earth can cause that. If you go to the moon, you weigh 1/6 less because of the change in gravitational strength of the moon, but you mass remains the same. The movement of the heart is an energy conversion — at rest = potential energy — movement = kinetic (mechanical)energy. This type of energy is dependent on mass, gravity, velocity and position (up or down). Again, weight is the mass multiplied by the pull of gravity. If the soul is believed to be energy, then to measure its weight is very misleading. But, if the soul has the attribute of mass, then I think it might be possible to measure in some way. In the end — I think Brian is right and what we think really does not matter! The Bible is not a science textbook and not intended to be so– it is a book of faith and guidance. But, come to think of it — science is based on faith, also.

  50. William

    Hi everyone,

    What they measured was not the weight of the soul. What they had weighed was thought ceasing as the weightless spirit had left the body. How much does thought weigh from an accumulated lifetime of memories stored? About 1/3000 of an ounce.

    However it does conclude that there is something which causes and caused those thoughts to be stored and produced. What could that be?

    Animals dont have souls comment is totally misunderstood of a statment. Animals do have souls, as well as anything alive. The differnce is… animals dont think, thus they have no thought to be wieghed. Neither do bacteria. Thus you cant weight whats not there.

    A soul has no mass, it is the creator of mass.

    Thank you.

    William Keeler.

  51. Underageguru

    This is all crap. Soul having weight and thoughts having mass make interesting bestsellers but not reality. Of course there is a lot we dont know about the universe around us but the debate here is all speculative and filled with “thriller quotient” than evidence backed science.

  52. marilee

    Here is a simple question for the Brain Trust here ….Why is it easier to carry a person if they go dead weight? Ask a fireman they will tell you. No pun intended it is what it is called. Could there be a weight change when the matter is mobile to inert. (I am not a scientist so excuse the wording. I am only trying to express a thought and communicated to the populace at large. I am not trying to so educated and brilliant. Some idiot with way to much IQ will gladly point out the fact that I have achieve that goal…so in saying THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.)

  53. Ian

    In response to William – I personally find it hilarious that you say and i quote “animals don’t think”. A perfect example of an animal thinking is when i say to my dog “where’s your ball?” he understands that and goes to look for it, clearly he thinks of his ball.
    All these people that say weighing the human soul is ridiculous can be compared to the people who said Galileo was wrong thinking the world was round because the oceans would simply fall off the earth. Only the most brilliant minds will carry the human race forward to our full potential and the ones who refuse point blank to accept these changes will be the ones to hold us back.
    Noetics could well be the very thing that allows us to fully understand our potential as its known that at the moment we only use around 12% of our brain capacity?

  54. Josh

    Thank You Ian. I agree completely. I am no scientist, in-fact I am twenty four year old with barely a high school diploma, and a recovering heroin addict. I have heard about these studies and decided to see for myself what exactly Noetic Science really is. I am impressed. Is all of it true, probably not but I have learned that in order to learn I MUST keep an open mind and produce my own hypothesis. For someone to say that something is impossible is only limiting their ability to learn. With that said, and going back to the earlier statement I made about only having a high school diploma, for someone to say that animals dont think is absurd, aren’t human beings considered animals? Where do you draw the line, I could be wrong but aren’t dolphins supposedly the smartest mammal next to human beings? I guess you could go as far as saying that certain animals only act on instinct and that they dont have what some call self-will, but I am almost certain that animals have the ability to think, though i could be completely wrong.

  55. coral

    Never mind the cadre of books that claim to weigh souls and whether god does or doesn’t exist…we all have thoughts. Does a thought have weight, does it have mass? Apparently it is a reaction of synapses between something that is then stored somewhere…if whatever it is stored in fills up with memories, do they have weight? Not interested in a theological argument, more of a scientic one. Does a thought have weight or mass? how do we know? how could we know? how can we find out?

  56. gdgsuwqyk

    well,,I’m only a highshool student and I just want to comment because I think I am going to be a fan of DAN BROWN, because of his books, and when i first read the book the lost symbol and heard about noetic science i was amaze about the weigth loss of our dead body or soul,,it was amazing, that’s all i can say,,thank you,.

  57. Ben

    lol

    The article is from the weekly world news 🙂 I probably have that issue somewhere. it’s out of print now, but really, i don’t think they published a single factual article. It was a good laugh though. Also, Dan Brown is a terrible author. The descriprions of the rituals are pretty laughable too.

  58. sonja67

    The ancients descibed us as gods in our own right. Maybe we are all part of a greater energy source, not created or destroyed just continually changing and moving. Science will eventually prove all our myths and legends.

  59. Georgie

    Throwing around ideas again —

    If you are saying that the weighing of a person while they are dying isn’t the soul it is the thought I have some questions, and I’m not a scientist either so I don’t know if I’m being really stupid, but…

    – If it were the soul leaving the body there are religious scripts and stuff that say they go somewhere. I’m not saying that they are right, and I’m not saying that things have to have been written down as a religious script for there to be any truth, obviously, but there has never been anything about thought leaving the body, and where would it go? I think someone said that thought was chemicals doing something and that they were stored somewhere, and so what, does this store just disappear when you die…
    The Law of Conservation of Mass?

    – Also, if it is thought then, however morbid it is, and I’m really sorry if this upsets people, but should they weigh babies as they die just after birth, and compare that weight to the older people to see if it is thought, when babies haven’t had as much time to think as an older person, or if it is the soul. But then there is the question of if the soul grows in time, which would make the soul/thought point very hard to define.

    PS. Dan Brown is first and foremost an AUTHOR. He writes fictional books, and if his books can spark off debates like these I think he has done something notable with his life, even if the things he writes about aren’t entirely true.

  60. Tuty Yosenda

    I have a funny thought about how we stay alive in this world. Imagine if you have to stay in the water, you will need a life supporting device. If you want to be connected with someone, you need a supporting device like telephone or internet line. That may lead us to the real meaning of life, I think. Life is going on because there is interconnection inside your body, also with anything out of your body. When the inner interconnection stop working, so does life. Even in philosophical meaning, the wide-ranging of your interconnected being with the outer world determines your quality of life.

    Based on that funny thought, I have a funny question about this. Is that really necessary to weigh … soul ? (If that is really soul). To understand the connection thing, is that really important for you to weigh your telephone wire?

    Maybe what is lost (and what they tried to weigh) after we die is not a soul. Maybe it just a module, a chip, a component, whatever…

    Just a funny thought from ‘not scientist’, too …;-)

    Thank you

  61. faisal

    weoghting soul is not so easy. lot of resarrch works ifs essential for it.

  62. faisal

    Science will reach to a place after a lot of research of many scientists thruogh patience, labor and belief from where we will be able to know about the existence of soul. It is thought that soul is immortal.All live animals including human being have to take the taste of death then what about the soul?If soul exists, does it have no death?Can we measure the weight of soul with our science, wisdome,technic and labor with a lot of research with patience?

  63. Laura

    firstly i would like to point out that yes the validity of the scientific methods used is questionable however, when you read the excerpt from the lost symbol the method used by Kathrine Solomon seems quite possible and the question really lies in what methods did these scientists use back in 1988. This then raises the question, could we develop a more accurate machine with the technology in this day and age? I am not saying that weighing the human soul is possible im just saying stop being so closed minded. Christians who can judge this situation and the believers of this experiment are being somewhat hypocritical aren’t they? believing in a book? At least the believers in noetic science have ‘some’ form of research and justification for these beliefs!!!! i do believe Dan Brown also said in the lost symbol that wide acceptance of an idea is not its proof of validity.

    I would also like to point out that this is not the first time this experiment has taken place. in 1907, Dr. Duncan MacDougall conducted a similar experiment and found the human body was lighter after death. ITS BEEN DONE BEFORE!!! for you conscious creators out there you will understand how people need to be open minded. If they are not they are only harming themselves and the potential they can become… you get me!!!! so just have a little faith!!

  64. Mary Poche

    I must say i find this very fascinating, like someone earlier commented, the moment you say impossible, you close yourself off, it is better to keep an open mind

  65. Michael

    Bottom line, this experiment must be done again…by a highly credible researcher or by an unknown researcher with many credible witnesses and video footage.

    Regarding the air-in-lungs issue, encase the dying person in an air-tight chamber and immediately weight the total. Such an experiment will prove that no mass can escape upon death.

    This is NOT a difficult or costly experiment. So who’s taking the reins here??

    P.S. From a moral standpoint, the subject will obviously need to agree to the experiment as he/she will only have 10-30 minutes of air in the sealed chamber before suffocating. However, if he/she is a lover of science and is about to die anyway, then he/she won’t care.

  66. Nigel Eborall

    If you read Dan Brown’s “The Lost Symbol” please remember it is FICTON. I am in no possition to comment on the “science” of the book, but I can comment with authority on his accounts of the Masonic rituals and philospophy.
    Like all the best propoganda, they are a mixture of incosequential truth, half truth and utter nonsensense. All mixed together in a way to make it all sound plausible.
    The supposed video they were going to so much trouble to prevent distribution would have shown nothing that was not already in the public domain. Membership of Lodges of all levels is a matter of public record to which access is very easy. It is not a secret, it never has been. Except in the minds of those who have an axe to grind.

  67. Dan Unsworth

    Nigel – I think youre missing the main point about the video you mentioned from the book. It wasnt so much the content of the video, it was more about the people filmed in it. Congressmen, CIA Director etc etc. A video of that nature containing those major political figures would be highly damaging in the public domain. It would cause anarchy and would probably be regarded as one of the biggest scandals in history.

  68. Masayoshi Ishida

    Please take a look at a paper published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration Vol. 24, Spring Issue 2010, No.1, pp. 5-39: “Rebuttal to Claimed Refutations of Duncan MacDougall’s Experiment on Human Weight Change at the Moment of Death.”

    Physics Professor Robert L. Park of Maryland University writes in his book (Superstition: Belief in the Age of Science: pp. 89-90, Princeton University Press (2008)) that “In the case of dogs MacDougall found no loss of weight at death, a finding that confirmed his religious conviction that only humans have a soul. Misguided research has a way of agreeing with the researcher’s preconceptions.” And he says that the missing weights are the result of MacDougall’s wishful thinking or superstitious nonsense. Obviously, this criticism is very much a naive reasoning than some of the scientific comments posted above so far.
    These good scientific comments appeared above are: (a) criticism against the article from the tabloid, Weekly World News, Nov. 8, 1988, concerning the claimed experimentally weighed soul = exactly 1/3000 oz. in all the 200 cases!? (b) regarding the probable disturbance of heart beat (do not forget breathing also) on the weighing experiments, and (c) regarding the air-in-lungs issue, though one must take into account the fact that the experimental subjects are bathing in the bath of atmospheric air, in which Archimedean principle applies to the subjects’ body.
    Probably, all these questions together with other issues about weighing the soul experiments have been answered in a recently published scientific paper in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 24, Spring Issue 2010, No.1, pp. 5-39: “Rebuttal to Claimed Refutations of Duncan MacDougall’s Experiment on Human Weight Change at the Moment of Death.” (The Journal is on sale at amazon.com.) Hence, please take a look at the paper before discussing further on these experiments.

  69. ram aditya

    what a baffling discovery!!the concept of noetic science really grasped me once i read THE LOST SYMBOL…this discovery has further deepened my beleif that there exists a force beyond the comprehensive reach of the human intellectual .. a force we call GOD!it has also opened up a new hope to all those who refused to beleive this ultimate truth!

  70. ram aditya

    what a baffling discovery!!the concept of noetic science really grasped me once i read THE LOST SYMBOL…this discovery has further deepened my beleif that there exists a force beyond the comprehensive reach of the human intellectual .. a force we call GOD!it has also opened up a new hope to all those who refused to beleive this ultimate truth!!

  71. No33

    I also enjoyed Dan Browns books, they were very entertaining however they are FICTIONAL!!They are a story based on interesting facts or conspirasies. I would’nt change my beliefs after reading them!!
    I think that noetic science is wonderfull and still in it’s infancy, this book has bought this science to ppls attention which is a good thing. Freemasons would like to read the ‘lost symbol’ and the limited knowledge of the craft he tries to expand on.

  72. SPC ELI

    First off to everyone who keeps relating thoughts and memories to your soul, these are totally unrelated. The fact that you identify with your body is why you think this way. You are a not a body that has a soul, but a soul that has and uses a body. The memories accumulated throughout life is connected to that body not the energy that makes up your soul. If people would realize that we are not physical beings at all, or the ego we relate with because of our bodies is an illusion. But that our bodies are a crude interpretation of an inner reality. Think of it like this, “As language is to thought, so is our bodies to our soul.” That is why death is so traumatizing, beacause we see the death of our physical bodies as an end. If you realize who you really are is timeless then death will no longer scare you.

  73. Rikard

    To Ian: we use all of our brain troughout the day, but only maybe 1% of our MINDs potential. Jim Diamond the smartest man in the world, called megagenius (megagenius.com) explains the secret of death in his “uncommon sense series”. Totally worthwhile to buy.
    Anyway, he used the genius formula to reveal that the “life entity/soul” enters the body at birth and leave the body when it is not fit to live in any longer.

  74. isabel

    @ wondering…. considering your mass and energy relation…. seems to be convincing at first. But the energy requirement of different individuals is entirely different….
    Saying so and asserting it , how can the loss of mass in each case be accurately the same i.e 1/3000th of an ounce??

  75. nirav patel

    This is the fact that soul leaves the body after death and it has been mentioned in all historical books of Hindu religion. This has clearly been indicated in Bhagwat Gita which was told by Lord Shri Krishna who is one of the Lord of Hindu religion. Also tirthankars have also said that soul leaves body after death. Actually modern science couldnt have reach up to this level where our ancestors knew very well. particular in hindu religion. On can also study Dada bhagwan’s books which gives understandings with believable examples of existence of soul.

  76. jiggie

    i’m a luver of noetic science, dou i stil doubt dat d human soul can b weighd. it seems more scientific to agree wit d exhalatn schl. perherps it takes only a litle shift of ideology for us to fully comprehend d objctiv existence of d soul, n it activities. do we av rational or objectiv ground for this shift? i’m waitin, hopin, n praying to see d day noetic science wil knock down d claims of experimental sciences about d human soul, but this does not seem an answer.

  77. Ken Evans

    READ HANDBOOK OF THE SOUL-Technologies of the Soul by Ken Evans, ALL WILL BE REVEALED !

  78. Lance

    imagine selling your soul to make weight for wrestling.

  79. Michael

    It’s interesting how, when we use words, we assume that using the words makes them true or proves some sort of point. I quote from another commenter: “Secondly, as far as I am aware, this claim and their findings have never been accepted by the general scientific community.” Yes, that is true. And what does this say about the validity of the study in question? Really think about that. Nothing. It says nothing, either way. All that means is that it’s “hard to believe.” Lots of true thing are hard to believe. I’m not even arguing whether or not I think this is true. I’m saying people create their arguments out of nothing, just using words.

    I’d also like to add, God damn, people can be such jerks. The clergyman’s comment is so catty I almost imagine him with a hand on his hip. It’s frustrating that “there is a life force” means “the Christian God is real and heaven exists!” Again, we use words and make them mean whatever we want. We draw conclusions which are unrelated to the material.

    …Anyway, interesting study! I’ve read a similar steady with a different weight, I think. or perhaps merely using different measurements… Or maybe it was the same study? Who knows!

  80. steve

    Some quick calculations show the human body is losing weight constantly every second it is alive. Just in weight lost from calorie burning would be around 1/10,000 oz./sec. So in 3 sec the body loses the “weight of the soul”. Add to this what the body would lose in water from evaporation and exhalation, and I can’t see how any measurements before/after death could be said to measure anything other than thos e two quantities. Especially as those quantities are in the same order of magnitude as the supposed weight of soul.

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